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Are Georgians related to anyone?

Is there any nation that the Georgians are related to???

Unexplained removal of related ethnic groups

@Emperor of Emperors: Is there any particular reason why you removed the related ethnic groups section of the infobox? Your edit summary just says "RV", which isn't exactly helpful. Arctic Circle System (talk) 04:04, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings Arctic Circle System! Lazs are part of the Kartvelian group and a subgroup of the Georgians; for more context you may see the respective article, where the Georgian Jews are the Jewish people in Georgia who are not related to the ethnicity. Regards, An emperor ✖ 09:22, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Emperor of Emperors: Apologies for the late response, but while the Laz people article states that Lazs in Georgia consider themselves to be Georgians, it does not say the same about Lazs in Turkey. In addition, while the Georgian Jews are related to Iraqi Jews and Persian Jews in terms of genetics and parts of their culture stemming from Judaism, it should not go unsaid that the Georgian Jews also underwent significant assimilation into Georgian culture, with their traditional language being a dialect of Georgian. Arctic Circle System (talk) 15:40, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your response Arctic Circle System. The Laz being an indigenous group/subgroup in the Kartvelian family is well-extablished and predates Seljuk/Ottoman/Turkish expansion in Anatolia and their self-identification in the modern Turkish nationality cannot be used to even out in Georgians case. Lazs are grouped alongside the Mingrelians and have always been part of the Georgian ethnic grouping. As for the Georgian Jews, the assimilation is definitely a case but that cannot be an argument to make them as related to Georgians per ethnic sense. There are hundreds of thousands of Georgians historically assimilated with different nation, states, empires during its history (be it with Ottomans, Persians, Russians etc.) but that very assimilation does not make them related, be it linguistically or ethnically. Regards, An emperor ✖ 18:44, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Emperor of Emperors: What does "related" mean to you, exactly? Arctic Circle System (talk) 18:48, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Arctic Circle System, the matter in question adressed here is regarding "related ethnic groups" and such classification and categorization of Lazs and Georgian Jews towards ethnic Georgians does not meet the ethnic or linguistic criteria. Regards, An emperor ✖ 18:58, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Emperor of Emperors: What do you mean by that though? Is there anywhere on this site that explains what the criteria is? Arctic Circle System (talk) 19:58, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Arctic Circle System, please refer to linguistics and ethnicity. Regards, An emperor ✖ 01:31, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Emperor of Emperors: I mean what "ethnic or linguistic criteria" for one ethnic group to be considered related to another ethnic group are you talking about? Arctic Circle System (talk) 01:33, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Arctic Circle System, Jewish people are semites and Lazs are Kartvelian being a subgroup of Georgian grouping. Semites are not related to Georgians and Lazs are part of the Kartvelian family. Please refer to articles about linguistics and ethnicity. This is an established fact how language families etc. work. Regards, An emperor ✖ 18:16, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So... I guess we're just ignoring the fact that Georgian Jews have traditionally spoken a distinctive dialect of Georgian, that being Judaeo-Georgian? And as for Lazs being considered Georgian because the most common name for the language family their language is in is Kartvelian, another name for Georgians, a common name for a given language family can imply, but does not prove on its own that a given group is a subgroup of another group. For instance, the Iban people of Borneo speak a Malayic language, but they are not Malays themselves. And you still haven't answered my question about what the criteria for one ethnic group to be related to another is. How closely related their languages are? Genetics? Cultural attributes? How many of those criteria need to be satisfied to meet the threshold required for a group to be featured in the related groups section of another group's infobox? Arctic Circle System (talk) 22:51, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Emperor of Emperors: Forgot to ping, whoops. Arctic Circle System (talk) 02:51, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings Wikaviani & Arctic Circle System I understand that there is Judaeo-Georgian, but fact remains that the Jewish people are not related to Georgians. If we are to assume just an assimilation a factor for their related bond then we should have all the nationalities of Georgia under that category: Georgian Armenians, Georgian Greeks, Georgian Russians etc. Regards, An emperor ✖ 02:16, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In essence, you're claiming that no ethnic mixing of any sort took place between "Semitic" Georgian Jews and the Kartvelian population? Moreover, can't "related ethnic groups" also point to culture rather than genetic markers? Shoshin000 (talk) 14:50, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ethnic mixing has happened with many different groups (e.g. Armenians, Greeks, Russian) but that doesn't make them "related" nations. With this logic everybody is "related"...It stretches meaning of what that section talks about.--LeontinaVarlamonva (talk) 17:17, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why dont we add Abkhazians as an ethnographic group or extinct subgroup of Georgians?

like really, they were assimilated by Northwest Caucasian family language speakers. NotOnlyDad (talk) 22:47, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

if you've got a reliable source for that, then we can add it to the article. ... sawyer * he/they * talk 22:56, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

okay I will find it NotOnlyDad (talk) 22:58, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Add Georgian diaspora map to infobox.

182.216.56.195 (talk) 10:27, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]